i wonder were there discussions among you and steve mcqueen and others about how far to go? i mean you're trying to be realistic but you also, it's a film that people are going to see. >> yeah, i think in some ways you have to compare where the language is, we just come out of the summer see con and i don't say this in an overly disparraging way but where entire cities were torn down and people just shrugged because of the level of violence and the scale of destruction and within that language of cinema. with this phil am, i think it's because you care about the people and because we take so much time to show these lives and show these individuals as humans that on the occasion, and really when you break down the fill tlm are three or four moments that are very difficult, it means that much more because we see these individuals as people. and we never wanted to flinch from these moments either. the beauty, the humanity, the family nature that is going on here, or things that are difficult, by the way, that aren't very barbaric. in terms of the physicality. but when you see a